Submitted by YoussefAssad on Sat, 29/05/2004 - 12:40.

The Bahram Document
eglug.org Charter

please check the [الدستور|Arabic Version]]

1 The charter, versions and naming conventions

The eglug charter is a document describing the purpose of eglug and outlining its ideals and driving motives. This document is intended to serve several purposes:

  1. To bring new members up to speed with the culture of eglug
  2. To serve as an aid and reference in decision making situations to improve the group's chances for achieving its ideals
  3. To separate the identity, ideals, and ownership of eglug from individuals, such that the community may achieve independence

The charter does not have version numbers though it is expected to evolve (slowly, one hopes) over time. The different versions are given names of individuals whom the group feel have contributed meaningfully to the existence of the group specifically and GNU/Linux in particular in Egypt. This is intended as a symbolic gesture of appreciation to these individuals. A chronological listing of the versions, the associated version names, and a brief explanatory note is to be found in Appendixsec:Appendix_A.

2 Why Does eglug.org exist?

eglug.org is the Egyptian Linux Users' community. eglug exists for several reasons:

  • To promote the use of open source software in general and GNU/Linux in particular within Egypt
  • To provide support for open source software and GNU/Linux users in Egypt
  • To build a proactive and friendly and intelligent community of GNU/Linux users

3 What are the rights of members?

One is said to be a member of eglug by simply registering with the eglug.org website. It is that simple. eglug members have several basic rights. These are:

  1. The right to gratis membership. This right is not revocable except for under the most severe circumstances as outlined in the administrator section, sub:Membership-revocation.
  2. The right to be heard. All eglug members are valued for their ability to voice their opinion and give input and feedback, and to contribute to the decision making process of the Egyptian Linux Users' Group. No member has more right to be heard over another; the administrator is not more important than the moderator, the moderator is not more important than the senior user, the senior user is not more important than the new user.
  3. The right to be free of imposed leadership. There are no leaders for eglug; the administrators and moderators exist only to provide technical support for keeping the site up and functioning smoothly. If leadership is required at any point it is to be temporary and with a strictly defined duration such as coordinating a meeting place; in this case, it is a requirement that each and every single person under this temporary leader have expressed:
    1. their desire for temporary leadership for this event/circumstance/project
    2. their approval/rejection of the designated person (the majority of two thirds of participants in said event/circumstance/project will give the chosen person legitimacy).

  4. The right to take initiatives. eglug is a volunteer group, and it lives by personal initiative. The members have the right to propose ideas concerning linux to the eglug community and to develop these ideas and lead projects which the community finds useful and productive and interesting.

4 What is the role of administrators?

The administrator is a person in the community who has ultimate responsibility for the eglug.org forum. The administrator has no formal role outside the eglug.org site. The administrator's role is to ensure the integrity of the site from a technical standpoint and from an ideological one. The following guidlines govern administration:

  1. The administrator may moderate content only when it is found to be in violation of the Acceptable Use Policy. An administrator's moderation may only be revoked by a consensus of three administrators/moderators, and only in cases where it is found to violate the AUP only subjectively.
  2. The administrator is responsible for carrying out site changes which have been approved by popular vote within a reasonable amount of time. The popular vote is carried out through the poll functionality on the eglug.org site. A poll is left open for 10 days, and members are alerted to it by e--mail. When the poll is closed, the administrators propose within 48 hours to the community a reasonable time for implementation of the change.(please refer to sectionsec:The_Procedure_For_Voting for details on the voting procedure) This time period is considered approved unless a two thirds majority of moderators, administrators, and senior users find it unreasonable in which case the administrators have two further chances to propose deadlines. If all three proposed deadlines are rejected, a replacement administration team is chosen from the moderators pool and the existing administration team are transferred to moderators. This selection is voted on by administrators, moderators, senior users, and new users.
  3. The administrator is charged with directing his effort at enriching the community spirit within the community.
  4. The administrator is expected to choose democracy over personal gain at every time. Where it can be demonstrated that this role was violated the administrator may have his/her administrative role removed with a two thirds vote of all classes of users. Any user may submit such evidence to the community. It is expected that when such evidence is spurious, the peer scorn will be sufficient punishment to the accuser.
  5. The administrator is selected from the pool of moderators by popular vote; two thirds majority of all classes of members.
  6. The number of administrators at any given time is to be one fourth to one third as many as there are administrators. This ratio may only be changed by a vote of two thirds majority from amongst the administrators, moderators, and senior users. When the ratio is changed such that the number needs to be reduced, the administrators will vote amongst themselves for who will leave and become moderator instead.
  7. The administrators will share the costs associated with maintaining hosting and the domain.
  8. The administrator must follow up with the periodic reviews the moderators conduct to determine which new users become senior users.
  9. The duties of the administrator include the duties of the moderators as described below.

4.1 How are administrators chosen?

Administrators are chosen from the pool of moderators. An administrator is nothing more than a moderator with additional strictly technical responsibilities which means that technical competence is a prerequisite.

From time to time a need for new administrators will arise. One or more administrators are needed when:

  • The ratio of administrators to moderators drops below one fourth. (mandatory)
  • An administrator has given up his/her role or been relieved of it. (optional)
  • The composition of administrators to moderators to senior users to new members is changed in the charter. (can be mandatory depending on changed charter)

The procedure is as follows:

  1. A public thread on the forum is opened by anyone as soon as it is perceived that there is a vacancy for an administrator. The subject of discussion on this thread is nominations for administrator. The entire user base is alerted by e-mail of this thread and prompted to participate in the discussion.
  2. Ten days after issuing the e-mail alert, the entire member base excepting new users votes on the nominations according to the voting procedure mentioned in section sec:The_Procedure_For_Voting.
  3. If no consensus is reached, the vote is held again amongst the administrators and moderators.
  4. If the administrators and moderators fail to reach a clear result, the administrators vote amongst themselves.
  5. If the administrators vote does not achieve a two thirds majority, then the candidate(s) with the most votes is selected.
  6. If there are several candidates with the same number of administrator votes, the candidate whose birthday when written out according to ISO specification and with the dashes removed is closest to a prime number is selected.
  7. If several candidates achieve equivalent distances from prime numbers, it will be assumed that eglug was not meant to exist and all operations will terminate in anticipation of the implosion of the internet.

4.2 Membership revocation

The administrators are the only people with the authority to revoke membership. The criteria for revoking membership for a user are:

  • Persistence in violation of the AUP
  • Persistence in unethical behavior not covered by the AUP

Since both these criteria are subjective, the rights of members are protected as follows:

  1. Nine ballots will be required to revoke membership of a member, or to reverse the decision to revoke.
  2. An administrator/moderator's vote will count as three ballots.
  3. A senior user's vote will count as one ballot.

The aim here is not to place the administrator/moderator above the membership base; the idea is to reduce administrative ovehead on the administrators and moderators. Where a user has his/her membership revoked, and where all nine ballots are senior user ballots it can be understood that there is a significant disconnect between the administrators/moderators and the community at large.

5 What is the role of moderators?

The moderator is primarily responsible for making sure of several things in the content of the eglug.org site:

  1. That content adheres to the Acceptable Use Policy.
  2. That no content detracts from the community spirit and ideal.
  3. That disputes arising between members on eglug.org never become hostile even if the differences of opinion are deep and will not change.
  4. That no individual or group ever oppresses any other individual or group for whatever reason.
  5. Additionally, the moderators are exclusively responsible for determining which new users become senior users. The moderators are expected to conduct periodic reviews(at least once every two months) of new members to determine which ones to elevate to senior member status. The timing of these reviews will be made public in the events calendar on the site. To reduce administrative overhead, though, this user promotion process does not have to be within the formal framework. All it takes is three consenting moderators.

5.1 How are moderators chosen?

Moderators are chosen from the pool of senior users.

The number of moderators is a constant 20% to 25% of the entire eglug membership base (not counting moderators and administrators). This ratio may only be changed by a vote of two thirds majority from amongst the administrators, moderators, and senior users. When the ratio is changed such that the number needs to be reduced, the moderators will vote amongst themselves for who will leave and become senior user instead.

6 What is the role of senior users?

A senior user is a class of member who has been acknowledged as participating regularly and enthusiastically to eglug activities. It is not intended to make it difficult to achieve senior user status. The mechanism of dividing non-administrator and non--moderator members into new and senior users is primarily intended to ensure that regular members have more access to sensitive democratic mechanisms than a new member who registered thirty minutes ago and has not read the Acceptable Use Policy or charter yet.

6.1 How does one become a senior member?

You become a senior member when three moderators or more think you should be one. See point 5 under Section 5 above.

7 The procedure for voting

Voting as a process is so fundamental to preserving the free and democratic nature of eglug that it will be described here in detail. An administrator's or moderator's failure to implement this process fully will be considered a violation of their mandate and will be handled as described above in their respective sections. Note that by voting here we mean votes on matters of policy/procedure/ideology which concern and affect the community, not normal polls like which window manager you use.

7.1 Which matters get voted on

To avoid a flood of potentially meaningless votes on such issues, matters are initially discussed in the meta thread in the forum. A matter can be approved for voting by either:

  • Three administrators and/or moderators
  • Nine senior users
  • One approval by an administrator/moderator may be substituted with three from senior users

It is preferred that the first option is used; if the second is used, it is assumed that the composition of the administrator/moderator pool needs review according to the procedures described in the respective sections. If after 30 days from the opening of the thread the matter has not been approved for vote, it is automatically rejected.

7.2 Polling

When a matter is approved for vote, it will be posted as a poll by an administrator within 48 hours of approval. If one or more of the concurring members is an administrator, he/she/they will be responsible for posting the poll. Failure will be regarded as a departure from this person's role and will be examined (excepting technical difficulties). All eglug members will be alerted to the poll by means of e--mail, and the poll will remain open for 10 days.

7.3 Results of voting

A two thirds majority in the poll will be considered conclusive. Administrator, moderator, senior member and new member votes are equivalent.

8 The Acceptable Use Policy

The Acceptable Use Policy is a simple set of guidelines determining behavior in eglug. The intention is not to restrict, but rather to provide the barest possible protection for members in order to provide a respectable and constructive working environment for the site. The AUP is as follows.

  1. This is a LUG built by, maintained by, and populated mainly by people living in Egypt (which doesn't mean you are not welcome if you live somewhere else and/or are not Egyptian). As such, we consider the laws of Egypt to govern us and will consider any illegal material or content to be a violation of the AUP.
  2. This LUG was founded to promote the ideals of open source and GNU/Linux. Members are expected to keep the topic of work and discussion in this area as much as they can. It is understood that the line between on--topic and off--topic is sometimes not too clear, and the benefit of the doubt will be given as often as possible. Only clear violations of this rule will be considered a violation of the Acceptable Use Policy. Note that the personal blogs will be considered an area where this rule is relaxed fully.
  3. Suggestions are welcome, as mentioned above. This however, doesn't grant any member the right to give orders. Telling members that they 'should' act in a certain way is not acceptable.

9 Procedure for effecting change in the eglug charter

The charter is the document which affects everything the community does and says. As such, it is beneficial to limit the rate at which it evolves to induce stability. The charter will come up for optional review once every year in the first week of August. This procedure will be effected as follows:

  1. A forum is opened on the 10th of July where members can voice issues and problems with the charter, along with proposed amendments.
  2. The forum is closed on the 20th of July and a poll is opened asking people to vote on whether any of the issues raised warrant a charter review.
  3. The poll is closed on the 30th of July.
  4. From the 1st to the 7th of August, the administrators, moderators, and senior users are responsible for producing alternate versions of the amended charter and submitting them to the community for feedback. At any point, a two thirds majority of administrators, moderators, and senior users will ratify the new charter.
  5. If by the 8th of August no new charter has been ratified the old version is preserved for another year.

A Versions of this document

  1. Bahram: issued the 30th of May 2004. Mr. Hesham Bahram is considered the spiritual founder of the Egyptian GNU/Linux Users' Group and provided the initial impetus to organize.

Alaa's picture
Submitted by Alaa on Sat, 29/05/2004 - 13:24.

ok where to begin.

  • this document is written in a slightly complex language, it needs to be simplified a bit (strip out the legalese) and tab3an it needs to be translated.
  • its too long, while I understand the need for a long charter that covers everything its unreasonable to assume new members will all read this, so we need a shorter version that shows up when they register, with a link to the real thing, in discussions we should never refer to the shorter version, and when a user is about to become senior member we need to ensure she understands the charter (olohof used to ask 2 exam question about their bylaws just to make sure you're ready to go up a level, we can do the same and include technical drupal specific questions when moving from senior to mod and from mod to admin).
  • requiring a quorum to include new users is not practical IMO, websites get many dead members and lurkers who will not vote (check Linux-Egypt polls), I suggest qurom be secified in terms of moderators and admins, but that poll results disregard user class (am I making myself clear?)
  • I thought we agreed that the promotion of senior members should be mostly automated, I liked the idea of a scoring system based on contributions, maybe mods can grant score points.
  • I think the AUP should mention no hateful speech and no personal attacks
  • I also think we should have guidelines that explain how each section of the website should be used, these should be enforced by the mods but violators should not be considred evil.
  • Also we need to mention the idea that mods are editors responsible for the organization of the website, one of the imprtant goals IMO is a community that retains its memory and minimzes redundancy, it is mods job to make ensure this, dunno if such goals should be expressed in the charter or elsewhere though.

I'll post this and reread again.

where does it say I'm supreme overlord?


http://www.manalaa.net


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Submitted by whirlpool on Sat, 29/05/2004 - 18:53.

>requiring a quorum to include new users is not practical IMO, websites get many dead members and lurkers who will not vote (check Linux-Egypt polls), I suggest qurom be secified in terms of moderators and admins, but that poll results disregard user class (am I making myself clear?)

no. understood nothing

> I think the AUP should mention no hateful speech and no personal attacks

yes


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Submitted by MohammedSameer on Sat, 29/05/2004 - 17:06.

I object to saying " Egyptian Linux Users'" We are the 39yp714n GNU/Linux Users.


> The poll'll be left open for 10 days,

sometimes this won't be enough, summer holidays, .... We can state that: pools are left open for 10 days unless the community thinks that it should be left open more for good reasons.


> The number of administrators at any given time is to be one fourth to one > third as many as there are administrators.

of who ??


> Ten days after issuing the e-mail alert, the entire member base > excepting new users votes on the nominations according to the voting > procedure mentioned in section

I still object to a hardcoded value of 10 days.


> If the administrators vote does not achieve a two thirds majority, > then the candidate(s) with the most votes is selected.

most votes from who ? admins ? mods ? admins+mods ? admins+mods+users ????


> the candidate whose birthday when written out according to ISO > specification and with the dashes removed is closest to a prime > number is selected.

WTH ?


> If several candidates achieve equivalent distances from prime numbers, > it will be assumed that eglug was not meant to exist and all operations > will terminate in anticipation of the implosion of the internet. nop,

I suggest that we should ask /dev/random 1st ;-)


> 7.2 Polling

I still object to the 10 days period.

> Note that the personal blogs will be considered an area where this rule is > relaxed fully.

to what extent ?


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Submitted by whirlpool on Sat, 29/05/2004 - 18:51.

Well, I don't think that it is that hard. Well, there is the part were MFA uses slashes to describe event/circumstance/project, which is a bit distracting just say event. When the document is translated things will be easier to read.

The document should be in a reverse order. Starting with members, senior members, moderators then admins. This way for a new member it will be an easier read. And makes more sense IMHO. And if he got tired from continuing it he/she will have read enough to ensure that he/she will have know about the AUP and senior membership.

Remove that prime number BS. It wasn't their at first? Yeah, funny but this document should be a bit serious though.

the two thirds and ten days issues should be voted upon ?


Alaa's picture
Submitted by Alaa on Sun, 30/05/2004 - 01:20.

guys this is the 1st draft. all numbers are there as place holders to be discussed.

I suggest that we need a minimum period for voting, that a vote should never be forced to cover less time. but it should not be the default period, the longer we can keep it the better.

however sometimes circumstances force us to do a vote on a short notice.

and the problem of the voting period is balanced by having a quorum (a minumum number of people who should vote for the poll to be considered binding).

a reasonable quorum is very important, Egyptian law states that any democratic organization should have a quorum of at least 51%, MFA is suggesting 2 thirds of the membership.

my not so clear point above is that a quorum should be calculated in terms of the number of senior users due to the strong posibility that we get a silent majority.

before you discuss numbers though, cosnider wether you agree with a rule being specified in that style, ya3ni do you agree that we should have a minimum hard coded period for votes?

cheers, Alaa


http://www.manalaa.net


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Submitted by whirlpool on Sun, 30/05/2004 - 13:47.

> ya3ni do you agree that we should have a minimum hard coded period for votes?

yes, we should not leave votes open forever. Nor should we leave that minimum period open to change from poll to poll. But, what if we need fast decisions ?


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Submitted by Alaa on Sun, 30/05/2004 - 18:39.

ok here is how I think about it.

fast descisions, meaning needing less than 10 days for a descision, would almost always be concerned with a certain event or immediate activity, or with individual initiative, which means there is an obvious set of members who are working on these activities.

for these short notice (and hopefully short term) descisions, the members involved in said activity should reach a consensus among them.

note that this can never be truely formalized or guaranteed to be safe, its a risk we have to take.

hell sometimes the single person responsible for a given task has to make descisions about this task, she may consult others, or not.

I think to allow for real initiative and contribution we have to aknowledge this, once a project starts it more or less becomes the responsibility of those involved.

now is there a situation where a quick descision is needed that does not fall under individual initiative (which we want to encourage) and an already ongoing event/project?

in that case maybe we should see, if the descision is easily reversible leave it to those directly involved bardo, since we can always get back and fix things.

if it isn't I don't know anymore, I suppose wait for the whole 10 days and suffer the consequences.

maybe the consensus of all mods and admins should be enough to reconsider voting time, or a two third majority of all mods, admins and senior users.

in fact IMO we should not be very pedantic about a democratic process, I prefer a more wiki like process, where we're empowered as individuals, ya3ni if some idea does not conflict at all with anything, members should be free to work on it without much consideration.

if a useful easily reversible idea comes up bardo members should be empowered to experiment.

cheers, Alaa


http://www.manalaa.net


Submitted by habdin on Tue, 01/06/2004 - 15:52.

Salamo 3alaikom,

I noticed that bad words could come out of some users in their own blogs. Free of speech is guarranteed on this site. I guess however if someone wants to make his own blogs full of bad words that the particular blog is kept private. Do we want a forum that is full of bad words? I guess not. Please don't ask about who wrote bad words in his blogs. I have to suggest that the blogs should be kept private, since you are free to say whatever you want in them (which is contradictory to what a blog funtion is actually). The other solution would be to stop saying bad words on the blogs since they are public. Hope the best for the new forum.

Salam.

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Submitted by Alaa on Tue, 01/06/2004 - 16:29.

The acceptable use policy is very short, it only mentions two point, not violating any egyptian laws.

and sticking to the Free/Open Source Software topic everywhere except on the blogs.

one of the things we want is for the rules to be obvious and not change suddenly according to circumstances so only things mentioned in the AUP will be considered reasond for moderation.

as I said I think the AUP should be a seperate document and it should at leats mention no personal attacks or hate speech on both the blogs and the rest of the website.

I think we should also discuss the posibility of using obscene words, IMO they should not be allowed in the forum or other comments and article areas, I don't care though if they're used on the blogs or not.

note however, that by giving each senior user a personal blog, it is practicaly impossible to make the blogs agreeable to everyone.

we need to think carefuly about this and come up with a descision.

what do you guys think??

note also that we can reconsider the policy and make it more strict or more allowing again when the charter comes for reconsideration (this happens once every year).

cheers, Alaa


http://www.manalaa.net


Submitted by NewComer on Wed, 02/06/2004 - 05:10.

See below

Submitted by NewComer on Wed, 02/06/2004 - 05:13.

1) Kind of speech allowed in blogs and off topic forums:-

Allowed:-

  • You can speek/discuss anything you wish (religion, politics, philosophy...etc) as long as you don't violate the "Not Allowed" section.

Not Allowed:-

  • No hate speech against individuals and groups (be it ethnic, religious, national...etc)
  • Sexually explicit content is prohibited.
  • Profanity and vulgar language is not allowed
  • As with religion, you have the right to express your religious believes even if it contradicts other religions as long as it doesn't insult/attack them, there's a very fine line between both.

2) Other parts of the site:

I'm kind of thinking of very strict rules here. What about restricting the speech to technical stuff and prohibit speech ANY other topic, the hell, we might as well prohibit talking about even your colors preference, technical off topic Discussions are allowed but are highly not recommended; by off topic here I mean discussion about an issue other than the topic that the starter of the main thread is talking about.

================================================================ Alaa seems to hate the idea of off topic section in the forums, its not that we're allowing off topic content in the whole site, its a very confined place where you can talk about nearly anything. Blogs can't fit here since they are kind of a diary.

Comment about the "right to be heard": Doesn't make sense to me, a member has the right to speak and other members have the right whether to hear him or not.

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Submitted by whirlpool on Tue, 01/06/2004 - 20:48.

well, since we are still in the testing phase of eglug .. MFA's blog is actually just a test of what can convievably happen. I think personally I think soemthing like that will never happen in life. No one will go on saying bad words in that fashion, because well, blogs is a place were you place your thoughts and so on. Its a mirror of your personality.

But, when of course when all these bad words are directed to some one. Things should be well thought of.

Other than that, there is no 13 year olds on a linux forum. So I don't think that bad words should be censord or something.


Alaa's picture
Submitted by Alaa on Wed, 02/06/2004 - 02:48.

there are indeed 13 years old members in Linux forums, we had 2 14 years old volunteers in the installfest.

now this raises an important issue, I think we should strive for this page to be welcoming and suitable to all ages, the younger they are the better start they'll have.

IMO this means prophanity and sexualy explicit speech cannot be allowed here, even in the blogs.

what do you think?

cheers, Alaa


http://www.manalaa.net


whirlpool's picture
Submitted by whirlpool on Tue, 01/06/2004 - 19:56.

Leadership is by agreement rather than authority and is established by the needs of the community rather than by the autocracy of an individual.

القيادة بالأتفاق و ليست بالسلطة و تبنى على أحتاجيات المجتمع لا تبنى على الأستبداد الفردى


Alaa's picture
Submitted by Alaa on Wed, 02/06/2004 - 02:44.

please don't edit the charter directly, discuss the points you want to add here until we agree on any modifications.

Sherbo that means you in the back.


http://www.manalaa.net


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Submitted by ShErbO on Wed, 02/06/2004 - 09:05.

Alaa you told me on IRC to go ahead with this charter addition... or did you mean as a comment first ?? whatever.. probably a misunderstanding.

Anyway here it is, everyone please state your opinions.

Acceptable Use? 3. Suggestions are welcome, as mentioned above. This however, doesn't grant any member the right to give orders. Telling members that they 'should' act in a certain way is not acceptable.


Alaa's picture
Submitted by Alaa on Wed, 02/06/2004 - 12:55.

ma3lesh since each change has to be read by everyone its better we keep it in discussions first (also you broke the direct http://eglug.manalaa.net/charter link??!! I need to invistigate this).

cheers, Alaa


http://www.manalaa.net


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Submitted by Manal on Wed, 02/06/2004 - 06:04.

Shouldn't we say that EGLUG is the Egyptian Gnu Linux Users Group, especially since we started to use the arabic name:

جنو لينوكس مصر

--

Manal Hassan
http://www.manalaa.net


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Submitted by YoussefAssad on Wed, 02/06/2004 - 08:39.

Now I know how to get people to perk up and take notice :)

Right, so some points here. The controversial blog entry I wrote was written 75% to stimulate precisely this discussion of what is and what isn't acceptable. I want this issue settled right from the get go. (in case you're wondering, the remaining 25% was me at 3 am unable to sleep and going nuts)

Regarding free speech, I find myself for once on the liberal side of everyone else here. Hide the blogs, but don't try to restrict them. I'm not saying this because there are elements of free speech I want to protect, I'm saying this for a practical reason: no one wants to police anyone else. No one wants the administrative overhead.

The only things that should be banned in the blogs is illegal things and hateful speech, and other obvious things like that. Off-topic stuff hould be fine, and profanity too.

-- Linux Egypt Lice Resident


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Submitted by ramez.hanna on Wed, 02/06/2004 - 10:35.

i don't agree on hiding blogs this would make it meaningless in my opinion (if no one sees it why bother?) i say ban profanity and hateful speech sinse we mention in the charter that we are an egyptian LUG and we are subject to the egyptian law and egyptian law forbids both (!! i think)


the best things in life are free --- so as myself


Alaa's picture
Submitted by Alaa on Wed, 02/06/2004 - 12:15.

hiding the blogs doesn't mean we completly hide them.

it means we don't promite new pblog content, we don't push it at members.

however members can easily reach anyone blogs, by either visiting the persons's profile or by clicking on the blogs link.

by not having to go through a tep where you search for a certain user we make it clear to all that blogs are a personal thing and the personal responsibility of the blog owner.

now I think the extra step also helps in the blogs goal. ultimatly a lug should not have off topic content at all, but a lug is also a social gathering, without alowing for social interactions and encounters you limit your lug severly, making special off topic areas that are pushed and promoted like the rest of the website simply raises the noise to signal ratio, by keeping off topic content to the blogs and by requiring a step of social recognition (you choose the blog by person) we encourage real social interaction (not just casual comments on off topic threads) and we encourage the building of mini communities within the lug (ie guitar players can find each other through their blogs, link to each other and enjoy long guitar specific discussions on their blogs).

but also there is the problem of admenestration overhead, even if we opt for restricted blogs we can't expect moderators to monitor all blogs for rule violation, so whatever the policy we'll agree on it will mostly be a matter of trust that senior members would abide by the rules. now in case someone breaks the rules and the blog entery gets mentioned on the front page, we will have another outroar, many clueless readers would not know the difference between a blog and the rest of the site anyway and the whole thing will explode again, to avoid this moderators are supposed to heavily police the blogs, this is too much work, and also ruins a great part of the fun (not to mention that the line gets very thin on off topic content).

in [What to do about blogs]] I suggest a system for hiding blogs while using a rating system to promote popular blog enteries to more visible areas, please check it and take the blog policy specific discussion there :-)

BTW Egyptian law is not very strict on profanity, the constitution after all protects free speech. to the extent that when they wanted to remove a certain famous obscene poem from the internet they had to use charges like inciting social disturbance.

hateful speech is illegal yes, at least against religions, not sure if Egyptian recognises ethnicity at all.

hate speech towards SCO certified admins and Capitalist tools in managerial positions is of course allowed, even encouraged.

cheers, Alaa


http://www.manalaa.net


YoussefAssad's picture
Submitted by YoussefAssad on Wed, 02/06/2004 - 12:35.

hate speech towards SCO certified admins and Capitalist tools in managerial positions is of course allowed, even encouraged.

Can we slam emacs users too? Can we? Can we? They suck! Can we? Can we?

/jumps up and down enthusiastically

-- Linux Egypt Lice Resident


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Submitted by ezabi on Wed, 02/06/2004 - 12:54.

Did I see "SCO" mentioned here without the TM and without the proper copyright and disclaimer, did you note that there are some lines of code in Drupal code are actually owned by SCO, we invented variables and arrays, how dare you use them without proper permission and license..


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