if we want to be pedantic then election should have been closed at exactly 18:56pm

IMO as long as it was not 11 days it is valid.

I don't see what is the problem in late votes.

cheers, Alaa

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http://www.manalaa.net "i`m feeling for the 2nd time like alice in wonderland reading el wafd"

No ,we will not went pedantic or controversy on the pedantry thing , but it called commitment of the event time. and it's well known results .

Why because this event is election ,it has a specific time to start and the time to end. And it is powered with the calendar.

As the election is the only right for the community to chose who will administrate who (if this a right word) respecting the whole process will benefit the community.

Why I am sending this reply

I don't see what is the problem in late votes.

Because we were there at el sakia , and we were at the ending time. Then you postpone (you are totally honest to me no doubt ,you have your reasons )announcing on the end of the first election period which based on the chosen democracy. and I think you memorize the rank . so asking what is the problem .is not fair.

Of course I will not act as pedantic and I will ask ,well if someone had missed the voting period can we pathetically allow his voice to be reached or not ?

Seems I want to end it in pedantry(do not count on this –is meant to be joke-) will asking someone to vote for someone by lowest possible rank is remain as violating the charter or the AUP or any known user agreement :) .

Diaa Radwan

the reason why I delayed it was because I had to wrote an announcement and I did not have time to do that at al sakia, thats what I said actually.

if you check you'll notice the mods elections where closed a a few hours after the time anounced on the calendar, you did not complain back then.

the thing is I don't see how a delay of a couple of hours is not respecting the rules.

frankly I don't even know how to handle such a controversy, maybe others can share their opinions.

cheers, Alaa

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http://www.manalaa.net "i`m feeling for the 2nd time like alice in wonderland reading el wafd"

It is not confusing; at the precise end of elections, Diaa had won. It was an unfortunate coincidence that closing was delayed and that two votes altered the result, but it is inconsequential.

Congratulations Diaa, you take my place.

And phaeron, WTF? Why did it take you this long to effing vote?

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Panem et *burp* circenses

I guess Conceptor is right.

I think it was a mistake, However since this happened in the moderators elections and no one complined I think the best solution is:

• Either you insist on the old result, In that case IMHO it should be restored.

• Or you forgive the mistake and accept the current result.

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-- I was known as Uniball!
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Quote "c u next life time then when i come back as a mug of tea :P"

Ok if there is no other choices (there are not):

I will insist

why :

• It is a step to know what to do in such cases .
• commitment to the events (try to make it automated).
• if we remove many latest voters (no insulting ) it will show us the community choice.
• alaa decide to end it ,(with known result) . announcement will make it clear for everybody but it will not be perfect if we change the result due to announcement issue .

Diaa Radwan

I agree with you without asking you for reasons.

another thing is that we can have a new voting period, Or restart the whole election process.

I don't know about alaa's reasons. Can you please post them ?

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Quote "c u next life time then when i come back as a mug of tea :P"

at the moment there is no obvious way to end elections at the perfect moment (after 240hours if this is what you consider to be the perfect moment, the charter says 10 days which could be read as many things).

the only mechanism for doing things automatically at certain time is through the drupal cron hook, the drupal cron hook does no run every minute, it runs at a certain time every hour, so unless elections perfectly start at the moment the cron job runs they will always end a bit after 240 hours, this bit could be large if any some major failure happens to the cron job before it manages to close elections (no an unlikely event).

once we start being pedantic there are many problems, what if the site was down for 5 hours of the 240? do we add 5 extra hours?

as is always my opinion about these things we should not expect things to be done perfectly, we should be flexible enough to give space to such issues.

obviously from the various elections threads not many share this view, so whatever we do to resolv this I think we should not use our current procedures again, someone should propose new procedures and someone should write new code that achieve the perfect results you guys crave.

cheers, Alaa

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http://www.manalaa.net "i`m feeling for the 2nd time like alice in wonderland reading el wafd"

consider this for the future and not for the current.

the current is based on you to stop it manually . you decide to do it but the announcement make it hard to be done at el sakia.

it was one of my point to highlight on the automated process will make it easier.it's not campaign to write a new module(you have done this one and it's great) .

So figure this election with it's current procedure .

once we start being pedantic there are many problems, what if the site was down for 5 hours of the 240? do we add 5 extra hours?

it is not vital-obligatory dose that every member should be spoon feed-ed with.

but once you have decide something (ending) and you are the responsible on ending and starting the election (where you are part of this election) .I think in my IMHO that you should report at the announcement based on transparency, that the ending at xx:xx and we have members who voted after this so it will not be recognized. agian after u have decided.

Diaa Radwan

Alaa is not the only one responsible to starting/ending elections, the rest of the Adminstrators (MohammedSameer, Whirlpool and YoussefAssad) are also responsible.

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http://www.manalaa.net

After reading the charter again, I found that:

and the poll will remain open for at least 10 days.

notice: at least 10 days which means anything more than 10 days is acceptable.

saying that guaranteeing that the elections are opened for the minimum time is spoon feeding, and considering it OK to have the elections open for a period less than the minimum while NOT OK for a period greater than the minimum, is extremely unreasonable.

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http://www.manalaa.net

the charter governs the general ideas and the lines ,let's say the global variables . we are not studying the charter now.

we have this event now with it's own rule under the umbrella of the charter .with a specific time to start and with endless-infinite limits it is assumption .

Alaa took the Decision to end it with the acceptance of MohamedSameer on clear result. correct me from wrong

the end time is been decided (i am not mentioning that Alaa was asking ramez.hanna to flame the result cause it is part of trolling. it is ok) ,on clear result.

so do not return with a quote from the charter saying it's mentioned there . the election started and determined to be ended and the result changed

this is the key point it's changed not because i am not admin.

saying if the change made on purpose or not ,remain as offtopic

Diaa Radwan

how did it change, was the vote closed then reopened again?

I took a decision to close it as soon as I had the time to post an announecment.

all according to the charter which IMO is the only thing that counts.

cheers, Alaa

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http://www.manalaa.net "i`m feeling for the 2nd time like alice in wonderland reading el wafd"

i think this is not a personal issue between conceptor and ezabi it is something related to the communtity, it is must be solved due to the rules of the elections ..

and by the way they didn't have the same score to sit together and settle this issue between themselves.

Miro

I said As If they had the same score.

No one said it is personal, both Ezabi and Conceptor are good canditates for Adminstratorship, and I beleive both are reasonable persons who could settle on who of them should join the adminstrators team and who should stay, If we had a tie.

all I'm saying is let's treat this situation As If it was a tie, and let them resolve the situation among themselves.

According to the Member Class Assignment Policy we could have a situation like:

If the new percentage is less than the current one moderators vote using a concorde method among themselves to choose who will leave and become senior user unless enough moderators resign.

I'm saying let's treat this situation in the same manner.

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http://www.manalaa.net

Look, Diaa WON. This is no topic for discussion. GAH.

Yea, the effing charter says "at least", but the election post says "ten days". When "ten days" was complete Diaa was in.

-- sigs are for lusers

since a many of us are discussing it, obviously it is, scan the discussion and you'll find there is no consensus one way or the other.

I was inclined in the begining to just accept any result (diaa or ezabi) since both where very close anyway (it took two extra votes) as long as a reasonable interpretation of the rule that can realisticly be applied without further trouble is reached.

now I'm not sure anymore, no one is proposing any practical suggestions to how in the next time we can guarantee exact 240 hours, no one is making any rational argument as to why an extra 2 hours is a problem, there are arguments that a few hours less is not a problem.

its simple really Ezabi won, we cannot invalidate two votes.

cheers, Alaa

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http://www.manalaa.net "i`m feeling for the 2nd time like alice in wonderland reading el wafd"

Administrator is nothing more than a modrator with some more work to do .... so it`s not a big deal between modrator and administrator ( no one will print a card saying hay i`m eglug administrator or eglug modrator ) so i c it`s not a big deal

it's not the point.

Diaa Radwan

What's the point then ? Please express your point of view ?

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-- I was known as Uniball!
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Quote "c u next life time then when i come back as a mug of tea :P"

since voting started at 18:56 it should have ended at 18:56, so only 2 votes where after the official voting period (if we consider it to be 240 hours).

automatic closing would still show an error if

1. voting started some time after the last cron run
2. the cron run that was supposed to close the voting did not complete successfully

so if we insist on exact voting period we should review our procedures and our codebase accordingly.

cheers, Alaa

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http://www.manalaa.net "i`m feeling for the 2nd time like alice in wonderland reading el wafd"

2 or 3 it doesn't matter.

i once went to my barber, 3am said, on monday (didn't know tab3an). he was open, he didn't send me back home.

moral of the story, we can't send the two voters back home despite the fact that the ranking vote was open.

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Mostafa Hussein

I don't think that alaa should be blamed for not closing it.

Me, whirlpool, youssef and alaa should be blamed as we are the current admins.

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-- I was known as Uniball!
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Quote "c u next life time then when i come back as a mug of tea :P"

No ONE To Be Blamed .. Ezzaby is the one we really need ;)

Conceptor .. take it easy .. nothing is personal .. administrators get less beers ;P

as they have no much time to drink ..

mabroooooooooooooook ya Ezzabi .. Conceptor .. HardLuck , enta akeed eli kasban el "marah" eli gayah ;)

peace out

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