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Submitted by hurriyyat on Mon, 18/10/2004 - 08:42.
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Hello,

I recognize the title is a bit provocative... But if u compare EGLUG to a soft... and u imagine that the people around are script of that software... then I would be pleased to have more clue about the way it really work. I want to have the source to see how can I add my own script.

I joined two saturday meeting. I met really nice people... But on the other hand I did not understand how does it work really. People gather and then there are not structured meeting as far as I saw. the web forum is as I see taking part of it... But is not it a it selecting the people able to join. If u've a dial up connection...

other question I understand it is a really open structure... everybody with good will can join... but is it leting place to unformal structure who does not respect the great idea of the charter. I am not calling for a formal structure (president, vice president, vice vice president and bawab) because I think that will fucked **** the all idea but I wish to find a space where new people or people with less time to follow up the forum can join and express them self in EGlug.

ciao

Damien

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All Is About Volunteering
DarKnesS_WolF's picture
Submitted by DarKnesS_WolF on Mon, 18/10/2004 - 09:48.

hello, 

      i`ll talk about about my opinon .. yes i c that eglug is open source community since every littel movie or event or idea u will found it writen on eglug site. when a work need to be done , eglug asking for volunteer  and thay do the work thay volunteered for . that is how it`s work. about ppl don`t have a lot of time , thay can help with ideas.and not all the activites need to be online on xDSL.and for example the idea of el sakia course. when it`s apporved eglug asked for volunteer , same as the translation of drupal , and aot of thos ppl was working offline ( dial up) enought just to log in get the file he/she will work on and start working . finshed it just 1 more min online commit the file and it`s done.so all u just need is to think about ideas to be done or found event or activite u can help with.and everyone is welcome in this community. i hope my comment explaned the things a bit.

peace

Live Free Or Die...


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Well
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Submitted by Conceptor on Mon, 18/10/2004 - 09:59.

Add ur own script whenever/wherever it will help somewhere in eglug enviroment !!

and do not expect error messages :) ,unless u redirect the script to /dev/null

Diaa Radwan


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I think I'm facing the same b
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Submitted by ikhnaton2 on Mon, 18/10/2004 - 23:05.

I think I'm facing the same bug u r facing. But it's the nature of most Open Source Environment. You have to do more effort: a lot of reading, go step-by-step on the hope that one day u got the system that u wanted.

I guess the problem isn't in EGLUG itself but it's personal coz I've no much time.

>>but I wish to find a space where new people >>or people with less time to follow up the forum >>can join and express them self in EGlug.

I think that EGLUG moderators should think about it coz this will always guaranty giving new scripts to the LUG and therefore continue its mission independent on the environment. Actually the courses and meetings idea are good implementation for making wider distribution but u should think in services after sale.

Regards...


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It is more about structure of decision
Submitted by hurriyyat on Tue, 19/10/2004 - 17:16.

Hello I guess that I was more or less not understood.

I agree with mister Wolf on certain point it is opensource... every actiity are repported.

But my point is different. I am more concerned by the structure of EGLUG than the activity, like who is really taking the decision. Volunteering is not only helping when the Guru said u have to help. It is also participating in the all organisational process.

I want also to answer to Ikhnaton2 that the post was not a personnal complain but a way to launch a reflection about the way EGLUG is managing. I heard from many people complain about lake of volunteer. So I think that the origine of that problem might be there. I mean that by saying we are a horizontal group ( it is written by one of the egelug member on the forum and also in the charter) the structure of taking decision should e clear and democratic.

Ok chears

Damien

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what kind of decisions ?
DarKnesS_WolF's picture
Submitted by DarKnesS_WolF on Tue, 19/10/2004 - 17:58.

i donn if i messunderstand u or not but what kind of decisions ? if ur talking about for example changing or site from drupal to phpBB2 or whatever that decisions in the hand of the community by vote and poll on it and then approved and Adminstrator take over to do it or ur talking about decisions of doing some courcse or seminar ? for another example i have an idea of doing course in alex i come here say to the ppl i have contact perosnal x and he want to give free GNU/courses in place z so we need volanteers ( that kind of activets don`t dissagree with what LUG made for and with our charter and AUP ) so that don`t conseder a dessions it`s an activites. so explane more what u mean with desions what kind of it ? and i hope u got my point right.

peace

Live Free Or Die...


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check the charter
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Submitted by Alaa on Tue, 19/10/2004 - 21:24.

check the charter and policies, these are what govern the decision making process.

these documents where drafted on our wiki, discussed for a long time on the forum and the IRC channel and finally voted on (the policies where rushed in a bit besara7a), and the charter will be reviewed every year (the policies whenever needed).

basically speaking three general principles where agreed upon

  1. participatory democarcy (meaning you don't vote for people who control you, you vote for decsisions).
  2. individual initiative (meaning if you want to do something you don't need approval, not even through a democratic process, the democratic process can of course be used to stop you initiative).
  3. no imposed leadership (there are no leaders, if someone asks you to do a job this is a suggesion, a request, a plea for help or an advice no more).
  4. absolute equality (we try to avoid difrentiating between members, when we have to its based on their level of activity and commitment only).

rule two is what is responsible for the lack of structure you feel, no formal process is required for you to join an activity or start one, the only thing required is that you organize it in an open fashion over the website and allow interested people to cooperate with you.

this seams to confuse many people, some still seak figures to ask them for permission, some simply don't voice their ideas due to the lack of formal structure and many don't start moing until someone hands them tasks.

we'll be happy to hear practical ideas on how to deal with this, how to encourage more participation and more initiatives.

BTW website governance does follow a formal structure, with different user roles and privileges, unfortuantly this structure is crippled at the moment because of lack of a proper condorcet voting module for drupal (I'll get to writing it one day).

cheers, Alaa

http://www.manalaa.net

"u know i once dream that the office of mobinil is from el 7`os :S and the one that answer u and tell u rasidak a girl called ghada"


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Mea culpa
Submitted by hurriyyat on Thu, 21/10/2004 - 02:46.

Ok right I read better the charter now and I understand what u mean. I based a part of my message on a wrong and really fast lecture of that doc.

I agree with u with the way of not having formal leaders... I am ok with that and I am against it.

I agree also of the way of launching new stuff. It is quiet nice to fell free of launching anything in the sense of a dynamic of group.

My last question comes from my personal experience of autonomious group I have joint before. We had a nice charter a nice idea at the beginning. But we had faced one problem which is the appearance of a non formal structure. I think that every group searching for being horizontal should take care of it. Non formal structure are always worst than a way of organising horisontaly the people.

Anyway I am happy there are some reaction to this...

Ciao

Damien

www.anargeek.net

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