i heard about red hat 8.0 supporting NTFS

so i googled around
found
This (http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/redhat.html#down)

what is
i386,i586,i686 is it the kind of processor i have ?

how do i know ma processor type ?

i issued the command -runame -all

and i got


Linux localhost.localdomain 2.4.18-14 #1 Wed Sep 4 13:35:50 EDT 2002 i686 i686

so from the output i just knew that ma kernel ver=2.4.18-14
what about ma procsor ?

do i have to dowload the file the meets my processor
suppose ma machine is i386 , and d/l i586
will it have in future problems ?

and one more
suppose i knew what mahine i have ,
let us say i386

what 2 d/l : RPM or Module ?
what is a Module any way ?


off topic QUESTIONS :
1/my screen saver aint workin` when i lock ma PC !!!!!!!!!WHY !
2/when i browse (arabic html pages )
in mozilla
i c squares between words !!!
have a l00k at this:
http://www.freewebs.com/gts/sqr.png
u can those sqaures with (zwap) in them

i know i`ve talked 222222222222 much
bas wallahe ana 7abeh at3lam linux
fa ya rait esa3dooni , bakoon mamnooneh elko : )

thx in advance :)

I respect you and your trials, I'll try to answer you :-)
> i386,i586,i 686is it the kind of processor i have ?
Yes, it's true.
i386 is going to run on any x86 processor though you'll miss the optimisation.

It's known for example than PIV is i686, Pentium MMX is i586 "correct me if i'm
wrong ?"

> Linux localhost.localdomain2 .4.18- 14# 1Wed Sep13 4 :35: 50EDT 2002 i 686i686

get the i686, It may not be your processor but it'll work since the kernel is
working, I donno what'll gona happen if the kernel was compiled for i386 for
example and you get the i586 or vice versa!

> what 2 d/l : RPM or Module ?
I don't know if the RPM contains the whole kernel or the module "depends on
size" but i recommend that you get the RPM and install it via rpm -Uvh
<rpm_name>
> what is a Module any way ?
A module is a piece of compiled code that can be inserted/removed into/from
the kernel during runtime when the feature that the module provide is required
by the kernel!

> 1/my screen saver aint workin` when i lock ma PC !!!!!!!!!WHY !
don't lock it then :-)
i use xlock, it's working fine. don't have experience with xscreensaver. but
maybe you didn't configure a screen saver ?

> 2/when i browse (arabic html pages )
> in mozilla
> i c squares between words !!!
That's a problem with mozilla, I can't recall the solution!! Try configuring an
arabic font, Or a better thing. Get mozilla 1.4rc2 "14 MB" It's really fast "i
can't believe that this is mozilla!" and arabic is fine here.

> i know i`ve talked 222222222222 much
You did search but you didn't succeed or found things you didn't understand,
Right ? You did what you can. So i'll shoot myself if a newbie did all that and
i don't answer him!

Good luck,

thx uniball !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


fast replying !!!!!!!!!!!!!


i`ll do u`ve suggested , nevertheless i`ve not read it YET

i`ll come back !!!!!!! wait meeeeeeeee

Originally posted by uniball

... Get mozilla 1.4rc2 "14 MB" It's really fast "i
can't believe that this is mozilla!" and arabic is fine here.
....

Hey, did it work on your i586. Cause I can't get Mozilla FireBird nightlies to work on my PI 233 MMX. They build them dynamically for i686. And you know I am waiting for 64bit processors ;-) to hit the market to upgrade.

Originally posted by whirlpool


Hey, did it work on your i586. Cause I can't get Mozilla FireBird nightlies to work on my PI 233 MMX. They build them dynamically for i686. And you know I am waiting for 64bit processors ;-) to hit the market to upgrade.
i don't have an i686
$ uname -m
i686

:D
firebird is very heavy compared to mozilla ! -at least IMHO-

uniball
what do u mean by heavy? the start up time? or while running; i.e. rendering ...etc?
I did test it several times and it is really starts up so quickly compared to the mozilla.
It renders the page so quick too.
Check if there is something wrong u may file them a bug then.

Originally posted by sattia
uniball
what do u mean by heavy? the start up time? or while running; i.e. rendering ...etc?
I did test it several times and it is really starts up so quickly compared to the mozilla.
It renders the page so quick too.
Check if there is something wrong u may file them a bug then.
I'm talking about mozilla 1.4rc2 vs Firebird 0.6

startup time is less
more responsive
rendering is ok here
switching from tab to tab is faster
less memory usage

bug them about what ? shall i send a bug report saying that foo is heave and
eats alot of memory "while they know about this and say no it's not!!"

I didnt get that u were talking about RC2 vs. 0.6
I thought that as u r a talented pogrammer u could find a reason for why 0.6 is so heavy; as opposed to the public who declared it is faster than mozilla; and fix it then u could simply file them a fix.

Originally posted by sattia
I didnt get that u were talking about RC2 vs. 0.6
I thought that as u r a talented pogrammer u could find a reason for why 0.6 is so heavy; as opposed to the public who declared it is faster than mozilla; and fix it then u could simply file them a fix.
well i don't thin that i can fix something like this:
it's C++ man! WTH! i really hate C++
it'd be more easy if it was C
mozilla is a large project, even if i can hack the code, It takes ages to understand and be familiar with it. don't have much time really now!

Originally posted by whirlpool


Hey, did it work on your i586. Cause I can't get Mozilla FireBird nightlies to work on my PI 233 MMX. They build them dynamically for i686. And you know I am waiting for 64bit processors ;-) to hit the market to upgrade.

Knowing uniball, what he means with this is, when the 64 bit processors become ubiquitous, he will finally upgrade to a 32 bit processor.

heh

Originally posted by MadFarmAnimalz


Knowing uniball, what he means with this is, when the 64 bit processors become ubiquitous, he will finally upgrade to a 32 bit processor.

heh

I was thinking of bringing my old Commodore 64 back to life with Contiki operating system (http://dunkels.com/adam/contiki/), you could browse the internet with an 8bit 64K system. (no PPP support yet) They have got a webserver running on a C64.

There is also Linux for C64, with modem support but no browsers yet. So I am waiting to switch back ;-)

PS: I could make it work as a dumb serial terminal. But that is not cool enough.

Originally posted by whirlpool


I was thinking of bringing my old Commodore 64 back to life with Contiki operating system (http://dunkels.com/adam/contiki/), you could browse the internet with an 8bit 64K system. (no PPP support yet) They have got a webserver running on a C64.

There is also Linux for C64, with modem support but no browsers yet. So I am waiting to switch back ;-)

PS: I could make it work as a dumb serial terminal. But that is not cool enough.

First thing I saw when I first heard of the new Commodore OS was ``some people have WAY TOO MUCH free time''.

BTW, my old C-128 is more leet than your shoddy 64... heh

Originally posted by uniball

firebird is very heavy compared to mozilla ! -at least IMHO-

FALSE FALSE FALSE

I downloaded Mozilla 1.4RC2 yesterday --RC3 is out today, 1.4 final will be ready at the end of the week !-- and it might be faster than older mozilla's but on my system it was too sloooow. I rolled back to firebird 0.6. Man, I was starting to complain from Firebird, after I tested mozilla I realized how fast firebird is.

mozilla however enjoys being more stable. Firebird is still in alpha.

Newer Firebird builds should be faster than the milestone release 0.6 but you should know that it is based on mozilla 1.5a !

Well, thanks anyway uniball. You made me admire Firebird's speed. :)

perhaps this depends on your RAM
but you know that i'm working on a Cyrix 190 :-)

mozilla is really great, and i'd like to invite you to have dinner with me today and see how is mozilla doing here ;-)
rc3 is out ? Yupiiiiiiiii! gotta go download.

uniball ur rite it is the first time that I c mozilla faster than firebird. The rc3 release is really fast.
only two problems I ve and many others with mozilla:
1 - For no reasons suddenly it refuses to resolve sites while at the same time I open Konqueror and it works like a charm.
2 - If left mozilla open a whole night then in the morning ull find the computer extremely loaded and it gets a while till it returns back to normal mode.
did u face any of these? I think of filing a bug especially 2 is reproducable.

Still getting rc3
I think i have problem #2
I left the PC running the last night, But when i woke up, I found mozilla
killed "by the kernel which is a sign of overload i think!"

Originally posted by sattia

2 - If left mozilla open a whole night then in the morning ull find the computer extremely loaded and it gets a while till it returns back to normal mode.
did u face any of these? I think of filing a bug especially 2 is reproducable.

Isnt this called memory leaks, correct me if I am wrong. It happens on firebird to, specially 0.5 ? I think it happens when you leave really heavy apps loading for alot of time.

Oh, BTW Uniball you might be very right. Anything that uses swap space on my PC becomes exteremly slow. I guess since firebird uses less memory it is faster here.

I am kinda like what Nadeen is doing .. impressed also with the search and ability to digest.

I just wanted to expand the differences between the i386,i586, and i686 RPMs just for the record.

what is
i386,i586,i686 is it the kind of processor i have ?


Each new CPU not only provides increased clocks but also has some new architecture and instruction sets. Binary RPMs are usually compiled for/aginst specific CPU to gain increased performance by taking advatage of the new features and instructions sets.

i386 - The old 386/486 CPUS
i586 - The original Pentium/Pentium Pro, and 100% AMD Compatibles like K5 or Cyrix
i686 - Started with the PII and then the PIII and amd Athlon/Duron/T-bird/XP

There is a well known rules regarding which RPM you should use.

1- Use the one for you CPU if you can
2- Older will run on newer CPUs
3- Newer _MIGHT NOT_ run on older CPUs

how do i know ma processor type ?

Open a terminal, at the prompt type:

# cat /proc/cpuinfo


This will give you your model name which will say what type of Processor you have, and fall back to the definations above to match.

You may also use "uname" which is a tool to print the system information with "-m" option to print the machine hardware name:

# uname -m


do i have to dowload the file the meets my processor suppose ma machine is i386 , and d/l i586 will it have in future problems ?


As the rules above says, older works on newer the other way around MIGHT NOT work or might give you problems.


what 2 d/l : RPM or Module ?
what is a Module any way ?


Let me take the time to define what is RPM :

RPM (RedHat Package Management) is a tool which has been standard and been used by _most_ of the other linux distros, and it is also now being used on other UNIX platforms. It has been used for simple reasons:

1- Provide a way to manage your installed applications
2- Provide a way to uninstall
3- Keep tracks of dependencies and conflicts
4- Maintain a simple database of the packages and files owned by each backage.

It is always better to use RPM to install application than use a tar ball file (i.e. .rpm rather than .tar/.tar.gz/.tgz/....etc).

RPM can have simple files which it can placed somewhere, it can be more complex and performe some extra settings. Files installed can be anything, kernel, configs, full applications, modules, ...etc. So RPM is your way of installing and maintaing files whatever the type of the file is.

Now to your questions about Modules. The OS is running based on what it is called Kernel, which is the heart of everything. The OS handle the devices connected to the system via drivers which allow the system to know how to talk to certain device. Drivers can be part of the kernel, or it can be what is called "loadable modules" i.e. a module which you can insert and tell the kernel here you there is something new and here how you can deal with it. For NTFS which is NT File System, it has been always a problem to access NTFS filesystem from Linux till the driver you found came out. Though it is not yet that stable though it is in good shape except the support for the WRITE on NTFS from Linux.

So, the RPM has the Module for the kernel to tell it how to deal with NTFS. You can have the module and install it by hand, though RPM is the way to better maintain it.

WOW .. I guess I wrote alot .. I will stop here .. I wanted to cover all the questions she posted, but I think this will make it a big post. So let me stop here.

Hope this clear things out.

complimentI am kinda like what Nadeen is doing .. impressed also with the search and ability to digest.

thx 4 this compliment RedHat

and thx 4 this GOOD INFO TOOOOOOOOOO !

salam all : )

You are most welcome Nadeen .. You showed a good interest and we should all help specially you do search and ask good questions.

I did a recap and added some more info to my post and put it on article on my site, I guess I will start following this practice, my aim to have one place for all the linux informaiton. So questions always good start to get an article out :)

http://www.linux-me.org/index.php?option=articles&task=viewarticle&artid=19&Itemid=3

Sherif
I appreciate the effort you had done in the site.
But don't you think that we can help in keeping the information in one place for the LUG members ??
Here in Linux-Egypt we have an articles section.
Please let us know if you have any remarks about adding your articles to Linux-Egypt.

You can email me personally too.

Regards
Mohamed Eldesoky

Mohamed,
First of all you article section is closed and only admins/mod can add articles.

Second, what is the porblem of pointing to articles ? I guess alot of ppl do point to article or certain link for something outside .. I do not see your point. Please explain your point as I am unable to understand it.

Not only mods and admins can post to the articles section.
Just it needs perior arrangement.
I can setup an account for you if you want.

Regards
Mohamed Eldesoky

You did not answer my second question ... Is there a problem pointing to articles or resources outside ?

Others were posting links to other sites they MET online.
Sherif, you are redirecting people to YOUR site.
It is not a problem, but let us imagine if every user made the same !!
I think many users here have their own domains.
I remember you said you want to keep the info on one place, not scattered in many sites !!

Regards
Mohamed Eldesoky

Mohamed,
So it is directing ppl to my site the issue. I would appreciate if you directly tell me this rather than get me other reasons.

My domain/site is not for having a forum discussion nor ment to take your members or forward them to my site. I am working to get a central point where I can get my 1000s emails/day and other LUG in the middle east which I do help them as well in one place. I had no reason to keep post everytime my reply on 100 forum and 1000s emails. Rather than that providing help here and saving time in pointing to articles somewhere is helping me out on my time.

You said others list links they met online !! explain to me what is the difference? Ohh yahh If this site was someone who is not known , that would be OK ?

Well, You may go ahead and delete all my post which got you offended and sorry , I was not redircting ppl to my site nor I want to maintain a forum or actively maintain a site.

I am acting the same way I am acting in other International LUGs, and amazingly only Arabic ppl still thinking ohh yahh he is trying to DIRECT ppl to his site !!! I have 4 more domains for other LUGs and other work I do and no one ever told me that Ohh you are saving your time and help us as well but you are directing ppl to your site.

Sorry if I offended the owners of this forum and sorry for posting any reply and directing ppl outside Linux-Egypt, I respect rules, and if rules does not match my need I just leave. You may remove all the links and my post I posted here and Sorry again.

You all have good luck in your effort in Egypt and Middle East .. Hope we all see the FULL picture and not hey you are steeling my visitors !

Hey, having more and more websites is great. Competetion will get lazy people here update their articles (__me__). Adminstrators add more features. And I think we could "deep link" to each other and benefit from the efforts to help users everywhere.

But, there are things that better be unified. Lets say things like the distrubters list. We should also prevent redundancy in articels or discussion areas.

The idea that could get new related websites in focus with each other is RSS feeds.

I will tell you a secret, LUGs will start to increase to meet several tastes ( as more and more people get intrested in knowing linux), infact I guess some people might not welcome the way we discuss things in linux-egypt and they may feel more at home on other LUGs.

Mohamed, Imagine that GNU/Linux usage increased tremendously, would this site scale to such demand in support. No way, and remember linux-egypt is the first one. This doesn't mean others will not succeed, but it stands the chance to remain the most popular. Just like there are several slashdot like websites that have hundreds of visitors a day, but still slashdot was the first and now enjoys thousands to millions of visitors each day.

ok
I see most of the people got my words wrong.
Sherif and me were talking last night, and I clarified my words to him, and I hope he understands.
That is to end the guesses circle.

Regards

We talked about it .. things got cleared , peace :)

OK .. How about opening a new thread on Linux Egypt to dicusse new features needed, and see how we can get the site in better shape ?

I personally Like Linux-Egypt and the group here, and happy to be part of this LUG, and I explained to Mohamed about my linux-me which should not be a porblem.

Let us dicusse what is needed in here .... I vote for a nice, simple and yet advanced PORTAL to start with. Something which allow users to post links, articles and have dynamic pages moderated simply by admins beside the forum. I guess thats what is really needed here.