Manal and Alaa's bit bucket

so if you don't care about me, if you don't plan to convince me why are you posting here?

I never claimed to be a guru in anything, and I'll repeat adherence to standards when it comes to shared spaces like the web are not an option, I can't see how a book in Software Engineering will convince me that it is ok to break web standards and cause grief to end users, the internet community and third party developers.

you are not making any coherent arguments, there is simply no excuse for delibratly breaking standards and still insisting on calling the result HTML.

now we are repeating our selves here, I told you we are talking about copy and paste, I told you when something is called HTML it should be HTML, according to your own words the nonstandard tags where a deliberate design decision, I told you that breaking a standard is not execusable and I demonstrated how it makes things difficult for eveyrone involved, instead of responding to any of this you just talk about software engineering, fear, gurus and other rubbish which has no bearing on the topic.

which is why I asked you what exactly are you trying to achieve? if you are trying to help people because you think what I said was incorrect or misleading then you gotta respond to my counter arguments, if you are trying to convince me then you'd better start acting rationaly.

if it is something else, just tell me what it is so we can stop wasting time.

what fear? were did I try to intimidate or threaten you? where did I claim I could save your soul or that your soul needs saving?

do you even know what you are talking about?

what do you think you are achieving by commenting here exactly?

good now go check your beliefs against reality and see if they hold. then go tell it to someone who cares.

Micro$oft is well-known for being ignorant to standards. They have no problem to spread a product that claims to use standards, yet it actually fucks up the standards and causing damage to the internet if this will ease their own life, this no bloody software engineering. I call it a failure in software engineering as they were not able to probably engineer their product.

When they say HTML, it's not really proper HTML.

When they say XML, it's not really proper XML.

If you must use a word processor, then I advice you to choose one that supports OpenDocument, it's the standard format for office applications, it's free, open to the public, and it's XML, which means your web applications (wordpress, drupal ..etc) will like it.

You can get a list of office applications that support open document here.

And so you can have all the facts and not to be fooled by Micro$oft, it's said that the new office 12 will use XML-based formats for its documents. But please, before taking any decision, go over google or that comparison or here to get some facts about that so called XML.

wake up mon, HTML is a standard, when you say you'll output HTML you should output HTML, you don't want to output HTML don't, you want to output something similar call it something else.

but when something says "save as html" it should do what it says and save as fucking HTML which is a strict standard.

besides who said anything about saving, we are talking about copy and paste here, you prepare in word, you copy, you paste in IE and you get these funky NON STANDARD tags that simply invalidate your website and XML feed.

babbling about Software engineering doesn't change anything, HTML is HTML, what word delivers in these cases is not HTML.

now you want to do something useful go fix the bloody product or give people advice on how to avoid it's shortcomings.

and in my world a feature that exists should work properly, if it doesn't then it is natural that people will criticize it, but you are being misleading anyway, we are not talking about a bug here, we are talking about a deliberate design decission, someone up there made a clear decission to ignore the standards and the end user, the internet community at large and non M$ developers suffer because of it.

MESSAGE TO THE WORLD, THIS IS A M$ EMPLOYEE WHO IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO CONVINCE US THAT IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM TO DELIBERATELY BREAK AND IGNORE INTERNET STANDARDS

it is nice to know that there is a way to get microsoft products to produce clean html, but that should not only be the default it should be the only option, anything else is plain stupidity.

and btw many in Egypt are still stuck at windows 1998

I don't need to read anything, I don't use M$ products and I don't plan to, I simply informed bloggers that by using M$ products to write for their blogs they break their HTML and XML, it is their job to find out a solution I proposed none, it wouldn't break anything if their blog was based on drupal for instance because it would strip away the rubbish.

and it is you and your fellow brain dead microsofties who look ridicolous when you tell people to follow an obscure step to get correct HTML.

man I'm 99% sure it sucks to be you

you asshole whatever made you think I won't publish your fucking comment? where and when did I demonstrate a tendency to block certain speech?

in fact if you registered and logged in before posting the comment you wouldn't even need to wait for approval, the only reason we have comment moderation for non logged in users is to block spam (uses less resources than a spam filter).

I didn't make any claims about knowledge, I pointed to a feed validator where you can clearly see that some blog posts written in word break the XML and invalidate it due to non standard tags, there is no single mistake in this simple set of facts.

now go fuck yourself or something, it will be better use of your time.

Beside, No one talked about saving except you, All what alaa talked about was copy & paste.

The fact that there's a feature to export clean HTML doesn't change the fact that you have junk in your clipboard when you copy from MS word.

Another point, If you want to preserve the features to reimport them you can use XML/XSLT or whatever, Not to break a standard like ths.

you don't get it

it is a simple fact, this is not valid XML data

period.

by using these programs they got non valid html in their blogs and non valid ATOM XML data, it does not validate and since XML parsing software assumes strict adherence to standards (thats the whole point of XML really), it breaks everything for many parsers and hence many applications that try to process their Atom feeds.

as I clearly said, the problem is so common that a decent CMS now has features to strip these tags instead of assuming people will come up with clean code.

I don't care why microsoft did it, the fact remains it breaks the XML according to the standard.

and proper namespace encapsulation would allow them to do the same without breaking the XML code but thats beside the point.

I didn't say they don't know bla bla, I said they delibratly break standards which is even worse than claiming they are stupid, I'm actually claiming they are evil.

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