Manal and Alaa's bit bucket

"An issue which I find surprising that anyone would condemn or dare attempt to argue "peace""

Weapon smuggling doesn't harm Israel as much as it wrecked Palestinian society. What society have they got now? a bunch of mercenaries that are now addicted to blood and can no longer live without it, even when the enemy is not around they are setting fires looting, and firing guns to celebrate, this tells u what sort of music feeds their souls. As for Israel, they played it smart, pulling out, they took a license to flatten them from the air if they fire a bullet.

These weapons are actually used within Gaza, in the game of power between the gangs.

So if you don’t believe in arguing peace with Israel, how about the peace within the Palestinian society?

But I know it doesn’t matter to anyone because the vast majority doesn’t love Palestinians or even care how they live. Only two issues motivates the Arab world, their passionate hate to Israel, and Jerusalem, these two passions even blind them from building their own country or cherishing its security.

trust me, opening the borders for a week is not what is going to add to the weapon chaches the resistance and other palestinian factions have. nor is controlling the borders the key factor for inter-Palestinian tension. that's a completely different subject and one that Israel has systemtatically used, as it is using the chaos at the border to show how "backward and inefficient" palestinians and egyptians are. as is usual in their cowardly way, the israelis left without prior alert and completely destroyed any semblance of order at the border that would allow either the palestinian security or the egyptian pussies for that matter have any control. and after the stupid killing of a palestinian the first day, they realised it was not possible to control the situation given lack of basic elements of borders. and don't accuse a palestinian of hating palestinians. or dare call those holding weapons in Gaza mercenaries. those people have been under occupation for 38 years, have lost lives during the first and second intifada and live in terrible conditions. the security tension going on in gaza will not stop because it is not for chaos' sake as much as it is for political maneuvering. unfortunately, the PNA's patronage system has created this result. and if you look at the history of palestinian factions in lebanon and how they operated, you see similar patterns now.

now that Gaza is free of zionists, let me see how many Arabs will think of visiting and offering support. there are no israelis anymore, unlike the stupid excuse egyptians and jordanians made to avoid visiting Gaza and the west bank in 1994. let me see who of those Arabs will consider visiting Palestine and taking action, rather than sitting in front of a screen bitching about how arabs are blinded.

amen to that, me too is interested in watching how many will go, I hear one blogger already went.

will try to go myself in the middle or ramadan keda let's hope the border will still be open then.

أنا تسألت اذا كان الخبر صحيح

للأسف التكذيب الوحيد اللي شفته جاي من ناس لا يمكن أثق فيهم و بالتالي أنا لسه معرفش حصل ولا لأ و ايه التفاصيل، و في الغالب مش هعرف أبدا

تفتكر الجزيرة هيا اللي ضربت النار و قتلت الفلسطيني بغباء؟ ايه دخل اتجاه الجزيرة و جلبابها بالموضوع؟ انا مش بطيق الجزيرة ، بس الخبر مش هما مخترعينه عموما آدي الخبر من مصادر تانية:

http://www.palestinenet.org/english/archive2005/sep/week2/130905/13sepborderkilling.htm

Palestinian security is still investigating the killing of a Palestinian youth Monday. Egyptian security newly patrolling the border after Israeli occupation forces left killed 24 year old Nafez Attiya and moderately wounded another youth, according to medical sources in Rafah.

Palestinian witnesses said that Egyptian border police fired at a group of young Palestinians who were trying to enter the Egyptian territories.

Abu Khousa said, “We have witnessed some incidence of exceeding the limits on Monday on the Palestinian- Egyptian borders,” adding that the PA would no longer accept such actions as they were once forced to while under occupation in the area.

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1927962005

http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/site/premium/access-registered.intercept

- و آدي تصريحات سليمان عواد -اللي آخر حاجة فاكرهاله كانت لما قال ان اهتمام الاعلام الغربي باللي حصل يوم الاستفتاء مبالغ فيه-

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=6081128&cKey=1126531259000

أولا أقرأ القصة اطلاق النار كان في وسط احتفالات.

ثانيا لا يمكن أقبل ضرورة اطلاق النار و قتل المدنيين، أيا كانت الجريمة، على قوات الأمن التصرف بدون ازهاق أرواح

ثالثا مال أبونا أحنا و مال ايه اللي يتهرب جوه فلسطين أحنا نحمي حدود مصر و بس

Try to put yourself in this soldier's shoes. Hundreds of people on both sides, what do you expect him to do? Fire his gun in the air? They will consider it part of the celebration... try to stop one? Three others are trying to jump... should he sit there and watch them breach our land sovereignty? Should he let the gangs spread chaos across the border as it is the disgraceful case on their land?

This soldier stood up for a lot of us. I am not for killing under any condition but in this case I see it as clear self defense.

the border was open for most of the day, and might still be open.

lets wait for all the chaos and organized gangs to show up and wreck havoc.

ما هو إللي يتهرب جوة غزة ده ممكن يبقى واحد مفرقع قنبلة في سيناء ومش هيلاقي أحسن من غزة يستخبى فيها عند ولاد خالته. حماية الحدود معناه برده منع التهريب سواء من أو إلى مصر، لأننا مش ناقصين بلاوي تانية.

وبعدين صحيح إطلاق النار ماينفعش إلا إذا كان هناك تهديد مسلح مثلا، إنما إللي حصل ده (إذا كان مصر أصلا ليها علاقة) لسة مش واضح بالضبط، وحسب مابشوف، أي عيّل في غزة ممكن يشيل حتة سلاح، يعني سهل واحد غشيم يطخّله نفرين ويرجعوا يقولوا دي مصر قتلت فلسطيني، عشان يهيّجوا الناس

لأننا مش ناقصين بلاوي لازم التصرف بهدوء، لو سيادتهم مهتمين فعلا محدش من اللي نفذوا عمليات داخل مصر يهرب كانوا حاولوا يوصلوا للجناة الحقيقيين مش يعذبوا بلد على بعضها و يلفقوا قضية مضحكة لاتنين غلابة ملهمش في حاجة.

ثانيا في سلطة فلسطينية و في مصريين داخل الأراضي بيساعدوها يعني اللي عدى ممكن يتجاب تاني بعمل بوليسي جنائي لو الناس عاوزه

أنا فاهم طبعا أنه ممكن يكون مات برصاص حاجة تانية، لكن للأسف لا سمعناهم قالوا هنحقق و لا بطيخ، انكار و بس، المشكلة أني لا يمكن أثق في تصاريح النظام ده بعد التصاريح اللولبية اللي طلعوا بيها بعد طابا، و الموسكي و عبد المنعم رياض و شرم الشيخ، يعني غالبا لا يمكن نعرف أبدا ايه اللي حصل بجد.

Try to imagine yourself in the shoes of this soldier, you got hundreds of people on each side, you fire in the air to warn?, they see it as a form of celebration, you shout? they are chanting louder, you stop one, three others try breaching the border, what are you going to do finally?